Comments on: Pleading With My Peers http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/ Delusions of Adequacy Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:23:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Storm in a teacup « Nelly And I http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7996 Storm in a teacup « Nelly And I Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:22:15 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7996 [...] as zoomie rants, it would be easier to walk away, to gripe and to moan and disengage but under (and it may [...] [...] as zoomie rants, it would be easier to walk away, to gripe and to moan and disengage but under (and it may [...]

]]> By: jimlad http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7995 jimlad Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:50:16 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7995 I think a common context in which people grow bored is when a Church's organisational structure does not enable individuals to make a difference at an organisational level. Perhaps sharing Christ's love on an individual level is then sufficient? This post provokes a desire to change, but it may not reach deep enough in combating frustration. Really a small post isn't enough and an entire series on how to deal with hysteria may be required. For example, I suspect people often reach this stage because they don't have well defined bounds on what they are responsible for (how they can act to encourage change) and what they aren't responsible for (how others respond to their actions). If we scatter seed, a good thing has happened and we should be encouraged. If the seed fails to produce a harvest we should consider what we can do better, but if we can't see where to go from there, let's not give up. I think a common context in which people grow bored is when a Church’s organisational structure does not enable individuals to make a difference at an organisational level. Perhaps sharing Christ’s love on an individual level is then sufficient?

This post provokes a desire to change, but it may not reach deep enough in combating frustration. Really a small post isn’t enough and an entire series on how to deal with hysteria may be required. For example, I suspect people often reach this stage because they don’t have well defined bounds on what they are responsible for (how they can act to encourage change) and what they aren’t responsible for (how others respond to their actions). If we scatter seed, a good thing has happened and we should be encouraged. If the seed fails to produce a harvest we should consider what we can do better, but if we can’t see where to go from there, let’s not give up.

]]> By: Sinn Fein in the Membrane http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7994 Sinn Fein in the Membrane Sun, 14 Jun 2009 12:31:41 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7994 Great stuff here again Zoom. I see myself in the group that is cynical and as a result a poor contributer. Just wondering how you reconcile this statement "Or get together and create new formulations based around the things you have learned together." with what you were saying last week about independant churches.Am i missing something here? Great stuff here again Zoom. I see myself in the group that is cynical and as a result a poor contributer.

Just wondering how you reconcile this statement

“Or get together and create new formulations based around the things you have learned together.”

with what you were saying last week about independant churches.Am i missing something here?

]]> By: Disapproving Ex-Housemate http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7992 Disapproving Ex-Housemate Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:50:36 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7992 Nicely done. :o) Nicely done. :o )

]]> By: zoomtard http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7991 zoomtard Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:29:52 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7991 If Zoomtard's archives prove one thing, it is that I can elaborate. When faced with the proposition that church is making, being left bored does induce emotional excess. We both know the kind of things that turn us off in church. It isn't the shape of the pews or the colour of the walls but the hatred or the untruths proclaimed as our essential source of hope. This can be the source of a legitimate internal chaos. And so on... I was writing here about the kind of Christians I spent far too many of my student weekends with. They had experienced grace and loved Jesus but have grown tired (or hurt or failed) by the church. That disappointment can be felt very seriously. It can induce a kind of paralysis at getting involved. But I think that the disappointments we have experienced are the absolutely essential ingredient in a new expression of ekklessia in Ireland. If Zoomtard’s archives prove one thing, it is that I can elaborate.

When faced with the proposition that church is making, being left bored does induce emotional excess. We both know the kind of things that turn us off in church. It isn’t the shape of the pews or the colour of the walls but the hatred or the untruths proclaimed as our essential source of hope. This can be the source of a legitimate internal chaos. And so on…

I was writing here about the kind of Christians I spent far too many of my student weekends with. They had experienced grace and loved Jesus but have grown tired (or hurt or failed) by the church. That disappointment can be felt very seriously. It can induce a kind of paralysis at getting involved. But I think that the disappointments we have experienced are the absolutely essential ingredient in a new expression of ekklessia in Ireland.

]]> By: Disapproving Ex-Housemate http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7990 Disapproving Ex-Housemate Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:08:36 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7990 Provocative. But to backtrack to your first couple of paragraphs, I don't see how being bored, underwhelmed or turned off implies that one is in a state of unmanageable fear or emotional excess. Being failed or hurt *might*, but not necessarily so. Non sequitur. So to answer your rhetorical question, no, I don't think hysterical is an appropriate word. ;o) Maybe you can elaborate? Provocative. But to backtrack to your first couple of paragraphs, I don’t see how being bored, underwhelmed or turned off implies that one is in a state of unmanageable fear or emotional excess. Being failed or hurt *might*, but not necessarily so. Non sequitur. So to answer your rhetorical question, no, I don’t think hysterical is an appropriate word. ;o)

Maybe you can elaborate?

]]> By: anna http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/06/12/pleading-with-my-peers/comment-page-1/#comment-7984 anna Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:23:56 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1139#comment-7984 preach it brother ;) preach it brother ;)

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