Comments on: More Indians Have Access to Cable TV Than to Basic Sanitation http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/11/25/more-indians-have-access-to-cable-tv-than-to-basic-sanitation/ Delusions of Adequacy Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:58:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: zoomtard http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/11/25/more-indians-have-access-to-cable-tv-than-to-basic-sanitation/comment-page-1/#comment-9675 zoomtard Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:02:54 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1536#comment-9675 I think you both might like James KA Smith's recent thoughts on martyrdom: http://forsclavigera.blogspot.com/2009/11/room-for-martyrs.html I think you both might like James KA Smith’s recent thoughts on martyrdom:
http://forsclavigera.blogspot.com/2009/11/room-for-martyrs.html

]]> By: jimlad http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/11/25/more-indians-have-access-to-cable-tv-than-to-basic-sanitation/comment-page-1/#comment-9674 jimlad Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:05:23 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1536#comment-9674 I don't think the church will grow here until it gives up its comfort zone. Is it even interested in what ticks the european population? It has a message that transcends culture but yet insists on sticking to its own traditions to the detriment of love. It needs to start hating what it thinks it owns, and that has absolutely nothing to do with controlling anything, its own growth included. Any growth patterns will be something we'll spot in hindsight, and if we try to claim them in order to advance future growth we'll be like Moses hitting the staff against the rock a second time. If we're not in line with the spirit, we have nothing to offer this culture because at the moment it is ahead of the church in its ability to control life. And I know all about trying to control life. It is one of my big character flaws (just making sure by this statement that you WILL think I am humble because the first paragraph wasn't very humbly submitted). I don’t think the church will grow here until it gives up its comfort zone. Is it even interested in what ticks the european population? It has a message that transcends culture but yet insists on sticking to its own traditions to the detriment of love. It needs to start hating what it thinks it owns, and that has absolutely nothing to do with controlling anything, its own growth included. Any growth patterns will be something we’ll spot in hindsight, and if we try to claim them in order to advance future growth we’ll be like Moses hitting the staff against the rock a second time. If we’re not in line with the spirit, we have nothing to offer this culture because at the moment it is ahead of the church in its ability to control life.

And I know all about trying to control life. It is one of my big character flaws (just making sure by this statement that you WILL think I am humble because the first paragraph wasn’t very humbly submitted).

]]> By: Virtual Methodist http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/2009/11/25/more-indians-have-access-to-cable-tv-than-to-basic-sanitation/comment-page-1/#comment-9673 Virtual Methodist Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:54:27 +0000 http://zoomtard.furiousthinking.org/?p=1536#comment-9673 I would argue that continental European Christianity as an institutional body is dead and buried, while "offshore" European Christianity is fast heading the same direction... Whilst evangelicalism in these islands still insists in looking to the US of A for its models of church growth and spirituality... I would argue that continental European Christianity as an institutional body is dead and buried, while “offshore” European Christianity is fast heading the same direction… Whilst evangelicalism in these islands still insists in looking to the US of A for its models of church growth and spirituality…

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